# Talk:Aufgaben:Problem 8

I tried transforming to polar coordinates in an attempt to make the solution shorter but I don't think it works. I think you can abbreviate in the exam at some places and also its all just derivatives so not very difficult, you just have to remember to invert the metric :)

Carl (talk) 23:41, 11 June 2015 (CEST)

## Suggestion for less writing work

Maybe it is possible to not explicitly show that C_2 is conserved, by saying that for u->v and v->u C_1->C_2, so C_2 must be conserved if C_1 is conserved.

## b) Poisson bracket?

Instead of calculating d/dt(C) I think it would be nice to use the fact that d/dt(C) = {C,h}. Of course it's basically the same but the hamiltonian eqs wouldn't have to be substituted in but are kind of built in. However, so far I didn't manage to make this resulting in a shorter solution..

Regarding your u<->v symmetry proposal, at least here you can easily argue with {,}: With C2 = C1(x1 <-> x2, p1 <-> p2), it obviously holds that {C1,C2}=0. Thus {C1,h}=0 ==> {C2,h}=0 by Jacobi identity.

Mario (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2015 (CEST)