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If this is true, then your equation (3), derivate of P_i w.r.t. p_k, would be equal zero too.
 
If this is true, then your equation (3), derivate of P_i w.r.t. p_k, would be equal zero too.
 
maybe it could be useful in solution II and III, that eq. (3) is zero...
 
maybe it could be useful in solution II and III, that eq. (3) is zero...
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Here's a proof I've found on my usual source of knowledge (meaning a youtube-lecture):
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'''Claim:''' For a generating function of type one (that's the smartman's name for the Phi in our problem) it holds: \( \{ Q, P \} = 1 \).
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''Proof:''
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We first fix the \( q \) coordinates in the momentum equation and derive by \( p \), denoted: \( \Phi_p |_q\).
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So we get:
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'''Equation 1:'''
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$$ 1 = \Phi_{p Q} Q_p |_q \Rightarrow Q_p |_q = \frac{1}{\Phi_{p Q}} $$
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'''Equation 2:'''
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Holding \( p \) fixed and derive by \( q \):
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$$ 0 = \frac{\partial p}{\partial q} = \Phi_{qq} + \Phi_{qQ}Q_{q}|_p \Rightarrow Q_{q}|_p = - \frac{\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} $$
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'''Equation 3:'''
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Holding \( q \) fixed and derive by \( p \):
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$$ P_p |_q = - \Phi_{QQ}Q_q |_p \Rightarrow P_p |_q = - \frac{\Phi_{QQ}}{\Phi_{qQ}} $$
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where we used equation 1 again.
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'''Equation 4:'''
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Holding \( p \) fixed and derive by \( q \):
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$$ P_q |_p = - \Phi_{Qq} - \Phi_{QQ} Q_q |_p \Rightarrow P_q |_p = - \Phi_{Qq} - \frac{\Phi_{QQ}\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} $$
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using equation 2.
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We are now prepared to calculate:
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$$ \{ Q, P \} = Q_qP_p - Q_pP_q = \frac{\Phi_{QQ}}{\Phi_{qQ}} \frac{\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} - \frac{1}{\Phi_{p Q}}  \left( \Phi_{Qq} + \frac{\Phi_{QQ}\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} \right) = 1 $$ by just cancelling out the terms. \( \square \)
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By the script:
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$$ \{ Q, P \} = \langle \nabla Q , J \nabla P \rangle_{\mathbb{R}^{2n}} = 1 $$
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with \( \nabla = \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial q_1}, ..., \frac{\partial}{\partial p_n} \right) \) and
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$$ J = \begin{bmatrix}
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0 & I_n \\
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-I_n & 0 \\
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\end{bmatrix} $$
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and this results in showing all the things we wanted to show.
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Cheerio, A.

Revision as of 16:44, 16 January 2015

Could you justify at the end of solution II and solution III the chain rule? Why are the derivative of q_i with respect to Q_k zero?


Hallo, why is the derivate of P_s with respect to Q_j equal zero? you do this in the last step of solution III. If this is true, then your equation (3), derivate of P_i w.r.t. p_k, would be equal zero too. maybe it could be useful in solution II and III, that eq. (3) is zero...


Here's a proof I've found on my usual source of knowledge (meaning a youtube-lecture):

Claim: For a generating function of type one (that's the smartman's name for the Phi in our problem) it holds: \( \{ Q, P \} = 1 \).

Proof:

We first fix the \( q \) coordinates in the momentum equation and derive by \( p \), denoted: \( \Phi_p |_q\).

So we get:

Equation 1:

$$ 1 = \Phi_{p Q} Q_p |_q \Rightarrow Q_p |_q = \frac{1}{\Phi_{p Q}} $$

Equation 2:

Holding \( p \) fixed and derive by \( q \):

$$ 0 = \frac{\partial p}{\partial q} = \Phi_{qq} + \Phi_{qQ}Q_{q}|_p \Rightarrow Q_{q}|_p = - \frac{\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} $$

Equation 3:

Holding \( q \) fixed and derive by \( p \):

$$ P_p |_q = - \Phi_{QQ}Q_q |_p \Rightarrow P_p |_q = - \frac{\Phi_{QQ}}{\Phi_{qQ}} $$

where we used equation 1 again.

Equation 4:

Holding \( p \) fixed and derive by \( q \):

$$ P_q |_p = - \Phi_{Qq} - \Phi_{QQ} Q_q |_p \Rightarrow P_q |_p = - \Phi_{Qq} - \frac{\Phi_{QQ}\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} $$

using equation 2.

We are now prepared to calculate:

$$ \{ Q, P \} = Q_qP_p - Q_pP_q = \frac{\Phi_{QQ}}{\Phi_{qQ}} \frac{\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} - \frac{1}{\Phi_{p Q}} \left( \Phi_{Qq} + \frac{\Phi_{QQ}\Phi_{qq}}{\Phi_{qQ}} \right) = 1 $$ by just cancelling out the terms. \( \square \)

By the script:

$$ \{ Q, P \} = \langle \nabla Q , J \nabla P \rangle_{\mathbb{R}^{2n}} = 1 $$

with \( \nabla = \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial q_1}, ..., \frac{\partial}{\partial p_n} \right) \) and

$$ J = \begin{bmatrix} 0 & I_n \\ -I_n & 0 \\ \end{bmatrix} $$

and this results in showing all the things we wanted to show.

Cheerio, A.

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